Base info on tribute and charisma

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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby TurinTuramba » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:27 pm

I just did some test of 104 draws for +8 +4+0-4 and 88 for +12. It appears that manuscript chance is independent of the tribute roll, as you get one in 13 percent of all cases. Could it be that manuscript chance is (diabolism attribute*2+1) ?
Distribution for the number of resources on the tribute was (with 30 meaning manuscript):
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-> tabulation of plus12num 

    Plus 12 |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          2 |         17       19.32       19.32
          3 |         23       26.14       45.45
          4 |         14       15.91       61.36
          5 |         11       12.50       73.86
          6 |          6        6.82       80.68
          7 |          2        2.27       82.95
          8 |          4        4.55       87.50
         10 |          1        1.14       88.64
         12 |          1        1.14       89.77
         30 |          9       10.23      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |         88      100.00

-> tabulation of plus8num 

     Plus 8 |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |         10        9.62        9.62
          2 |         24       23.08       32.69
          3 |         27       25.96       58.65
          4 |         11       10.58       69.23
          5 |          7        6.73       75.96
          6 |          4        3.85       79.81
          7 |          4        3.85       83.65
         30 |         17       16.35      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |        104      100.00

-> tabulation of plus4num 

     Plus 4 |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |         34       32.69       32.69
          2 |         30       28.85       61.54
          3 |         21       20.19       81.73
          4 |          2        1.92       83.65
          5 |          3        2.88       86.54
         30 |         14       13.46      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |        104      100.00

-> tabulation of plus0num 

     Plus 0 |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |         46       44.23       44.23
          2 |         24       23.08       67.31
          3 |         19       18.27       85.58
          5 |          2        1.92       87.50
         30 |         13       12.50      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |        104      100.00

-> tabulation of minus4num 

    Minus 4 |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |         59       61.46       61.46
          2 |         12       12.50       73.96
          3 |         12       12.50       86.46
         30 |         13       13.54      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |         96      100.00

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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby vallu751 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:52 pm

Are you saying you had a 13% chance of a card turning up as a manuscript, no matter the modifier? If you drew 4 tribute cards, that would on the average result in a manuscript every other turn. That's not my experience at all.

How did you make your test, did you have actual +8, +4, 0 and -4 modifiers or were you relying on the -4 for multiple tribute demands per turn? If you were relying on the latter, then I think manual chances might be the same on every draw. For manuscripts, the +12 modifier was being used every time, even if resource draws were properly diminished.

Other than that, maybe a different version of the game affects the results. The data from Timus, as well as my own experiments, have always seen a much lower manuscript chance. The chances are in the first posts of this thread.
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby TurinTuramba » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:10 pm

I used a hacked fiend with cha6 and 5 order slots +infernal cardinal and devoted minions. First item for sale was the beijiit, so that's where the +12 mod comes from. So I was drawing 8 with keep 4. And used all 5 order slots to demand tribute(hence the -4 modifiers). So it could be that the tribute modifier for manuscripts doesn't get diminished, which would explain the results as well.
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby John Mc » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:18 pm

I suspect that manuscript chance is independent of tribute modifier. Increased Diabolism raises both, but +Tribute and +Manuscript are probably independent. Interesting consequence that manuscript chances don't diminish with repeated tribute demands.
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby Maxim » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:42 am

Thank you for the testing, very interesting stuff.

I was wondering how the "special offerings" ritual affects tribute. It seems like a very good choice with 5 or 6 orders.
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby TurinTuramba » Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:30 am

I'm guessing you roll multiple additional dice (diabolism/2?) with demand of supplication. You can get crazy results like 16+ resources on a card, but also low ones with only 2.
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby tzeentch_2001 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:18 am

One more question then.

How goes lower Cha (t.ex 2-3) with Voice of Command to get additional order for tributes. It seems to be waste of startpoints, but how does it go with statistics?
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Re: Base info on tribute and charisma

Postby Matchstickman » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:40 pm

tzeentch_2001 wrote:One more question then.

How goes lower Cha (t.ex 2-3) with Voice of Command to get additional order for tributes. It seems to be waste of startpoints, but how does it go with statistics?

Given that the Voice of Command Perk was removed before the game was relaesed (but left in the manual), not good.
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