"Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby Dinger » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:48 am

Some recent twists in made me wonder exactly how Seek out Curiosities worked.
In particular, while the chances should decrease with each subsequent tribute order, that was not my experience.

So I ran some tests. The build was: Saturated Ichor, Infernal Cardinal, CHA 6, and then adding on toys. For each configuration I tested, I ran 10 tries. Each column indicates a separate order slot:

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seek out curiosities at +8
 5  13  8  5  0  0

At +12
13   6  7  6   6

at + 12, in demand of supplication:
14 23 21 23 17

At +17 (=IC +2, Beliit + 4, Iron Maiden + 2, Amulet + 2/150%MSS), seek out MSS
27  17  22  25 17  20 = 128

At +17, demand tribute
10  12  19  16 10 11 = 78

At +17, asking for MSS, demand of supplication
37  39  42  28  41


All non-demand of supplication

55  48  56  52  33 (/280)

All demands
106  110  109  103  91 (/420)


What does all this mean? Well the first test (+8) failed to turn up any MSS in the last two columns (which would be -8 and -12 tribute rolls). Outside of that, on every other test, manuscript returns appear roughly static across the board. In other words, while "seek out curiosities" lowers your tribute roll for regular tribute, the tribute roll for MSS is not adversely affected by the number of demands already made -- at least, it does not appear to be. So if CHA is high enough, it might make sense to seek out curiosities on the _last_ demand, and not the first.
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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby Dinger » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:51 pm

Okay, one more test, this time to see if order really does matter:
repeated 5 times the sequence demand resources 3 orders/seek out curiosities 3 orders and the inverse.
Counted total points on cards and total manuscripts
Result?
They don't affect each other, but they do affect subsequent demands of same time.
Seek out curiosities is approximately -4 on your tribute roll.
So, with five demands, the optimal configuration would be:
Resource Resource Resource Curiosity Curiosity (or CCRRR)

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Second Half MSS

Demand Resources
24/5 2MS   39/5  2 MS   44/6 1MS   24/5 2 MS   27/6 1 MS  (158/19 = 5.852pt/card) 8MS
29/6 1MS   21/6  1 MS   29/7      24/5 2 MS   18/4 3 MS  (121/28 = 4.321pt/card) 7 MS
20/6 1MS   26/7      18/6 1 MS   25/7      25/6 1 MS  (114/32= 3.562pt/card) 3 MS
Seek Out Curiosities
15/5 2MS   6/3  4MS   24/6 1MS   25/5 2 MS   22/4 3 MS (90/23=3.913) 12 MS.
15/4 3MS   9/4  3MS   19/4 3MS   4/2 5 MS   16/4 3 MS (63/17=3.706) 18 MS
17/5 2MS   12/5 2MS   11/5 2MS   13/5 2 MS   12/6 1 MS (65/18=3.611)  9 MS


Seek Out Curiosities
17/4 3MS   16/4 3MS   17/4 3MS   22/4 3MS    12/4 3 MS (84/20=4.200) 15 MS
13/4 3MS   16/5 2MS   24/7      18/5 2MS   4/3  4 MS (75/24=3.125) 11 MS
13/5 2MS   8/5  2MS   28/7      13/6 1MS   13/6 1 MS (75/29=2.586) 6 MS

Demand Resources
32/6 1MS   33/6 1MS   32/6 1MS   32/6 1MS   32/6 1 MS (161/30=5.367) 5 MS
23/7      23/7      29/6 1MS   27/6 1MS   37/7      (139/33=4.212) 2 MS
22/6 1MS   21/7      21/6 1MS   24/6 2MS   19/5 2 MS (107/29=3.690) 6 MS


Interpretation:
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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby potatoedoughnut » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:24 pm

10 data points is a fairly small data set, but the results are interesting.
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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby Dinger » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:30 pm

well, the sample size is actually 70 (7 rolls per order slot). In the RPSatan chatroom, iax calculated we'd need 500 rolls to get a definitive answer. So, seven times what I did.
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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby Maxim » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:32 am

Thank you for the statistics, it was an interesting read!
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Re: "Seek out Curiosities" and How to Get Manuscripts?

Postby Jaedar » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:13 pm

It seems to me that seeking curiosities basically halves your tribute modifier. But how much does it increase chances of getting manuscripts? Because in my experience it doesn't really seem worth it to get that much less tribute for the small increase.
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